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Published on September 30, 2004 By lifehappens In Politics
Close your eyes and imagine a white man stepping up to a podium and saying the following statement....

"Black voters are 'afraid' of electronic voting machines. They are not tech-savy and will be intimidated by touch screen voting systems and therefore be less likely to vote."

Would you be appalled? Angry that someone could make such a negative generalized statement? What would you think of a person who could say that?

I heard that statement on Mike Gallagher's show this morning. Carol Moseley-Braun, a BLACK civil rights activist actually made those comments about the voting in Florida in the upcoming Presidential campaign. Syd Dinerstein, Chairman of the Palm Beach County Republican Party responded by saying that, "this is a clear example of why the black community needs new leaders."

If the people who are supposedly working for you can negate your abilities and competence so frequently, why do you want someone like that representing you? i would like to hear from anyone with a thought on this. I see blacks and other minorities reduced to stereotypes, "poverty-stricken, uneducated criminals"....by themselves and by their leaders. I would personally be very offended if I was described as being too stupid and uneducated to use a touch-screen and so intimidated by computers that I couldn't vote.

What's next? Democrates deciding to vote "on behalf" of the underprivilaged minorities because they aren't competent enough to cast a vote on their own?


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on Sep 30, 2004
"What's next? Democrates deciding to vote "on behalf" of the underprivilaged minorities because they aren't competent enough to cast a vote on their own?"


Actually, it has been attempted. That is one reason Kentucky has been reviled in the press recently because the Republican party here opted to have their legally-allowed representatives at the polls. Dems were way overstepping their authority with minorities. Now, of course, since they have chosen minority neighborhoods to oversee, Dems are saying the Republicans are there to intimidate people, even though they can't speak directly to voters, etc. It's crazy. They have buses here where they round up people in the projects, take them to get registered, and then come back on election day and bus them to the polls. IF they could go in and pull the handle for them, they'd do that too.

on Sep 30, 2004
I heard that statement on Mike Gallagher's show this morning. Carol Moseley-Braun, a BLACK civil rights activist actually made those comments about the voting in Florida in the upcoming Presidential campaign. Syd Dinerstein, Chairman of the Palm Beach County Republican Party responded by saying that, "this is a clear example of why the black community needs new leaders."


It is sad but true. The new Uncle Toms (and Thomasinas) are the Black slaves that serve the White masters of the Democrat party. They dont even understand how they belittle their own race or how they trash their advances. All they care about is spouting the Massa's line.

I feel sorry for those people who are so stupid as to not even understand they are being used and how stupid they truly look. I think the pendulum has swung to the end. It is starting to swing back.

You can only call someone stupid in so many ways before they get the clue and start resenting the fact.

And she would be president? Only in a democrats worst nightmare.
on Sep 30, 2004

They have buses here where they round up people in the projects, take them to get registered, and then come back on election day and bus them to the polls.


I have no problem with bussing folks to the polls; I DO have a problem with the way black leaders are miscasting the Democratic Party as a party that CARES about the poor.

on Sep 30, 2004
The bad part, Gideon, is all the under the table lunches, etc., that are bought for these people. When I was a child in Eastern Kentucky it was illegal to buy alcohol on election day, but that just made the party workers just buy the liquor they handed out a week in advance. I remember being told as a child that it wasn't safe to be on the roads on election day because of all the drunks coming back from voting.

I appreciate your optimism, but many/most of these people aren't going to the projects to give people a lift, and the people going aren't transportation-challenged people who feel the civic duty to vote. It isn't booze any more, at least here in Lexington, but it is pretty obvious that it isn't just political motivation either for a lot of this poll-tending.
on Sep 30, 2004

I appreciate your optimism, but many/most of these people aren't going to the projects to give people a lift, and the people going aren't transportation-challenged people who feel the civic duty to vote.


Oh, I do agree with this, hence my comment. I strongly disagree with the way the Democratic party has used minorities so consistently through deceit.

on Sep 30, 2004
I don't think I would consider you a rascist. Its not that she said blacks are bad, or blacks are worse than whites. She said that it is true that blacks are intimidated by e-voting. And I will not dispute the fact that it is true. The thing is, she can get away with saying this, while a white person would not.
on Sep 30, 2004
"Black voters are 'afraid' of electronic voting machines. They are not tech-savy and will be intimidated by touch screen voting systems and therefore be less likely to vote."


Dare I say this? Racist comments can be made between two persons of the same race. Man, that's unconventional idea! what do you feel about this?
on Sep 30, 2004
Racism whether done by two of different races or done by two of the same race is still racism; even reverse racism is still racism.

Never look at a person for the color of their skin but look at the person, as an individual color should never matter.

I think that statement above by that leader was complete and utter idiocy from her(?), and as such they need a new leader or new representative.

I hate to tell you but African Americans are tech-savvy and can use the Internet as well as Caucasians, Hispanics, etc., so that statement is utterly wrong.

It is there constant complaining and yelling of telling young African Americans that they are stupid and criminals, that hurts their society, heck Bill Cosby was pissed off about this and the fact that some people need to learn to speak the English language. If you keep repeating to someone 'you are a criminal, you are worthless, you are stupid, etc.' eventually it does take root and it is the leaders who keep saying that keeps them down.

The Democratic Party is the biggest offender of racism that I know of today, besides the obvious extremist groups. They do it by reinforcing stereotypes despite their trying to be Politically Correct. Biggest problem I have with the two Majors is they both have some agendas which half supports their views. I.E. How one party will try to dissuade voters from voting for Third parties because it is a wasted vote, when they shout at the top of their lungs every vote counts. So which is it? Every Vote Counts or not? Cannot be one or the other, has to be clear straight down the middle, every vote counts, even those for third parties, OR every vote does not count, because third party votes are wasted votes.

Quit the grey area stupidity and stand for ONE thing and reinforce it by standing for that one thing straight down the line. You support every vote counting, than support EVERY VOTE COUNTING, even if it is not for your candidate, your party, etc. When doing a RECOUNT, do every single COUNTY in a state not COUNTIES THAT VOTED FOR YOU just because you are trying to dig up votes to win, which by the by is illegal, only a recount in every single county in a state is legal, can't do one or two, but all.

So in the end you either support Racism or don't? Support the reinforcing of stereotypes when it comes to races is racism, OR no longer looking at the color of someone's skin and looking at the individual, Anti-Racism.

Quit separating the people and citizens of the United States into Races and realize we are PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, not Races, People.

You support Anti-Racism or you don't, there is no GREY area PERIOD.

So choose one or the other, take your damn stand NOW!!

- GX
The Militant One
on Sep 30, 2004
I am sorry if this sounds rascist, but statistically the Blacks will be less likley to have experience with technology based on the fact that more of them live in inner cities and are poorer, and because of this more are considered illiterate.
on Sep 30, 2004
I am sorry if this sounds rascist, but statistically the Blacks will be less likley to have experience with technology based on the fact that more of them live in inner cities and are poorer, and because of this more are considered illiterate.


So you are saying because it is statistically feasible, that it is okay to reinforce the stereotype? Or it is okay to support people that support this idea, instead of doing something about it? Talk does not equate action, am I wrong?

- GX
"I have no answers to your questions, but I can question your demands." - Motto Inspired by Laibach's WAT
on Sep 30, 2004
What's an EBT? At the commissary there's a line that says cash, debit, and EBT only, and I've always wondered what EBT means . . . (I know, I'm an idiot)
on Sep 30, 2004

What's an EBT?


Instead of giving people food stamps that could be sold for cash, they now give you a credit-type card and transfer money to it each month.  Less room for fraud.

on Sep 30, 2004
ahhh . . .OK . . . that makes sense.
on Sep 30, 2004

Less room for fraud.


Yes and no. While you can no longer purchase 5 cent candy and get 95 cents "real" change from a dollar food stamp, you can still sell food stamps for a percentage of their face value by taking the person to the store and buying it for them, or giving you their PIN (just what the "exchange rate" is, I can't tell you...when I was a kid, I think it usually varied between 50-60 cents on the dollar).

on Sep 30, 2004
The individuals being commented on were not, "Out-of-work, poverty stricken, victims" or "Violent, inner-city thugs". She refered to the ENTIRE black community as a whole. She made no distictions and no qualifications to her statement. She effectively reduced every black in the state of Florida to a gibbering idiot who is scared of technology.

Recent polls in Florida (by the Rep. Party) indicate that out of registered voters, most feel confident that the new system will be easier to use and less likely to result in accidental errors in votes. While I conceed that there is a segment of the population, black, white and other, that will not vote for one reason or another....many of them would not choose to vote-regardless of what system is in place. That is not the point. There will always be those who do not feel that they want to take the effort to drag themselves to the polls every 4 years...for whatever reason. And in response to....
statistically the Blacks will be less likley to have experience with technology based on the fact that more of them live in inner cities and are poorer, and because of this more are considered illiterate
Those individuals, a much smaller group than we are lead to believe by black leaders, wouldn't vote anyway!

The point is that when a group of people allows a leader(s) to lower the expectations and standards for their group, you weill eventually be left with a group that is seen as having no potiential, worth or value. Do we really feel that an entire segment of the American population is better off being put down by thier own leaders? If I say anything negative about the black community or an individual, then I am labeled a racist.....i find it interesting that noone is standing up to the black leaders and calling a spade a spade. I would if anyone told me that a white stay at home mom was too stupid and incompetent to have an opinion or the ability to vote.....

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