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Parental Notification Laws....
Published on July 27, 2005 By lifehappens In Current Events
I got thinking about this topic after hearing a NOW rep on the radio blabbering on about how Roberts could potentially destroy the Roe vs Wade ruling and how that would set reproductive rights back 100's of years. She emphasised how allowing state legislation to decide the issue could put children in danger by requiring parental notification.

Let me start off by saying, I don't personally approve of abortion, especially as a contraceptive method. I understand there are exceptions, rape, health, etc etc that are reasons to justify and I WOULD NEVER question the choice a woman made, because I am not in her shoes.

That being understood, I want to address the topic of parental notification and the fact that NOW and other abortion activists are pressing for anti-notification rulings. The reasoning they give is that it could put a girl's life or well-being in danger. For example, a girl has to go to her abusive father and tell him he got her knocked up, or he is violent and owuld react negatively to finding out her boyfriend knocked her up. Other examples given include, girls getting backstreet abortions because they didn't want to "disappoint" thier parents.

The Pro-Abortion groups use these examples of child endangerment as reasoning to support their Anti-notification stance. What the BLEEP?!?! What about protecting children from incest, abuse etc etc?! They want to abort a baby then send the child back to the abusive situation?!?!

I have a really good idea for how to deal with that. If a child (anyone under 18) shows up and asks for an abortion and says they do NOT want to notify their parents, then they should be REMOVED from the home automatically. Avoid the whole "child endangerment" vrs. telling mom and dad situation altogether. Or even take it a step further and any girl pregnant before 16 should be placed in protective custody, pending a check of the home situation to ensure her safety. Parents could attend counseling to prove they won't beat her or abuse her for being in that situation.

If it is a case of potential abuse, stop it before it starts, get the girl counseling and present ALL options from a non-judgemental source (Not Planned Parenthood) Aborting the baby and returning the child to the home without intervention is just asking for it to happen again.

And if it turns out that the child just is "afraid to disappoint" her parents? Parents and daugher should attend counseling. Her to help with the options and parents to accept the child's situation.

So this would solve the "abuse" factor all that's left is some girls may be afraid to admit pregnancy to parents out of shame, embarassment etc. *I think they should be embarassed if they made poor choices!* But that should not justify providing a serious medical proceedure that has signifigant emotional side effects to a minor. These kids are not considered mature enough to vote, but they can decide to kill an unborn baby?

Parents have the right to raise children in a manner they feel is appropriate. As long as no abuse is going on, parents currently have the right to teach children what they want, instill religious/moral values and require them to obey rules without approval of the government. But if parents no longer have a say in a child's signifigant moral decisions regarding abortion, they how can they regulate anything else in the child's life? Circumventing parents further distances them from any ability or responsibility to raise their children.

If a 12 year old can get an abortion without telling her parents, why can't she get a nose job? Quit school? Drive a car? Donate organs? Get married?

By using the courts to make parents obsolete, we are condemning children to a life without understanding of accountability or responsibility for their actions.

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on Jul 28, 2005
ParaTed-You get an insightful for this. NOW is wrong on all counts and they persist in spreading their propeganda.

abortion when there is no medical reason for it, IS the cowards way out!!

I agree with you 100% here. BUT I conceed that there may be non-medical reasons to justify abortion. Therefore, I have to allow a loophole for rape in my beliefs.
on Jul 28, 2005
LW: good point! Plus at what point are the parents notified? Does that mean all future medical issues arrising from little Suzie's "proceedure" are none of her parents buisness? Do they still have to pay bills associated with potential aftereffects?
on Jul 28, 2005
Planned Parenthood who promptly dispatches a Bull-Dagger-Deisel-Dyke from NOW to transport little Suzie behind her parent's back to the local abortionist.


There's a word for this... it's called KIDNAPPING!
on Jul 28, 2005
my 2 cents, is a question, would any parent or responbile adult want their child to have any kind of medical proceedure without their permission.

Why stop at abortion, how about breast surgery without parental permission?

how about a nose job?

where does it end?
on Jul 28, 2005
Lifehappens--My response was specifically in reply to Zoomba's post #5, not your original post. I think that there was some confusion.

Parents shouldn't know the child was raped?!?

That's a tricky question, and not one that I am fully capable of answering...but, to a degree, I believe that the victim should be allowed the same degree of privacy as "adult" victims are given.

I'm not trying to force my morality on you. I'm trying to uphold the parents right to raise a child to the moral standards they set, not the state. You are an adult. I don't approve, but I am not debating that today.


Again, my comment was a specific response to something that Zoomba said. My point is, that it should either be legal, or it shouldn't be legal. The "exceptions", in my mind, invalidate the pro-life argument. If it is murder, it is always murder, regardless of the circumstances. Once you make an exception, you've run into murky water where you are no longer talking about whether or not you are murdering an unborn child, but rather what your values on sex.

That's wrong too! You can't use poor legislation in another situation to justify inappropriate response to another crime.


Again, the response was relating to Zoomba's pay scale approach--not simply abortion in general. If you really think abortion is a crime, than, to me, it's pretty hard to justify any sort of compromise.

are you saying you can't comprimise on what? A waiting period? Counseling? Parental notification? Nobody has mentioned banning abortion altogether. We are discussing the implications of removing parents from the desicion of a minor child's abortion.


1. Just for the record, in case anyone is confused, the "I" and "you"s that I have been using, have been in the very general sense. I am simply stating a position. Simply because I am pro-choice doesn't mean that I have, or ever will have, an abortion. I simply believe that it is a decision that I can not, and the state should not, make for others.

2. We were talking more generally about abortion that the parental consent, specifically in post #5, which was the one that I responded to.
on Jul 28, 2005
They already do, you just dont see it. Why? Because you agree with it. But for those who do not agree with you, the others are already dumping their morality on those people and it is just as onerous


Re-read what I said, Dr. Guy. I said, either make it legal or DON'T. But the "in-between"--where we are going to decide that it is legal in this case, but not that, and maybe sometimes here, but not there--that's no longer about whether or not you think that abortion takes away a life, but rather that you'd like to legislate bedroom activities. It's about sexual morality, not about "murder."
on Jul 28, 2005
Shades of Grey, I see your point. But just to clarify.
I simply believe that it is a decision that I can not, and the state should not, make for others.

For minors, the state should have no right to trump parental responsibility unless the child is removed from the parents altogether.

I think I may start a new thread...watch for it!
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